From boyhood crush to person that I highly admire and respect, I cannot say enough good things about her. She is an amazing person who deserves all the accolades. One small woman standing up to power and using her platform continuously for good! Thanks Jane Fonda, we owe you alot!
That stupid picture of her by a machine gun is NOT why Vietnam veterans and people like me who support men in the military just doing their jobs HATE her. SHE STOOD AT A PARADE OF AMERICAN MILITARY PRISONERS AT A VIETNAMESE PRISON CAMP POSED AS IF THEY WERE BEING HUMANELY TREATED (a lie). SOME OF THEM SLIPPED HER A PIECE OF PAPER WITH THEIR NAME, RANK, SERIAL NUMBER ON IT INTO HER HAND WHEN SHE SHOOK HANDS WITH THEM, THINKING SHE WOULD GIVE THOSE PIECES OF PAPER TO THE AMERICANS SO THEY COULD NOTIFY THEIR FAMILIES THAT THEY WERE ALIVE. INSTEAD SHE GAVE ALL THE PAPERS TO THE VIETNAMESE AT THE CAMP. THE MEN WERE SINGLED OUT, PUNISHED SEVERELY AND THREE OF THE MEN DIED BECAUSE OF IT. THAT IS WHY SHE IS DESPISED BY SO MANY OF US. You can try to make it look like it was one photo, but it was NOT. She committed treason that day.
Jane Fonda made mistakes over the years, but the story you tell is completely false. The American POWs who were actually there that day deny the veracity of the story. It’s a lie. Page 2 of the attached will explain, if you truly care about the truth. Maybe you’d like to consider stopping the spread of disinformation.
What she did wasn’t even close to treason. What she did was patriotic because she protested and illegal and immoral war based on the bullshit domino theory. The real reason for that war was to move money from the bottom of the top.
If South Vietnam didn’t have the balls to fight for their country against the north don’t deserve democracy and they’re not ready for it. Vietnam is now communist or socialist whatever the fuck they call it. It was a waste of life in treasure and a lot of people knew that and finally the American people knew that it was an illegal and immoral war that ended up accomplishing nothing same as the wars we started in the Middle East for oil.
The US does trade with Vietnam and people go there to vacation. If democracy and capitalism were so great it would’ve prevailed on its own without killing a shit load of people and making Wall Street go wild by supplying the army with the tools of the trade.
Americans got lied into this war when Lyndon Johnson created the false flag Gulf of Tonkin scam. I was a conscientious objector and I burned my draft card. Does that make me a traitor? Muhammad Ali refused induction and gave up a career for three years. Does that make him a traitor? Makes him a hero.
The pilots playing poker in the cockpit of a plane.
Casualties are rising like the following of the rain.
And the a mountainof machinery will fall before a man.
When your white boots marching in a yellow land.
Red blow the bugles of the dawn.
The morning has arrived you must be gone.
And the lost patrol. Chase their chartered souls like old whores following tired armies.
Except for the military action in Kosovo in Bosnia, every war the US fought since Vietnam has been stupid, worthless, illegal illegal and wasted.
This is not a slam and the people who fought in that war. That war and war after that benefited the rich. People are rich off the Vietnam war just like they got rich off the 2 Gulf wars which ended up making Iraq even more Islamic and theocratic. The military adventurism of the US is absolutely obscene.
Jane Fonda was the patriot then and she’s a patriot now.
Vietnam was another quagmire but it’s not as evil as what Trump is doing now but it’s not all Trump it’s corporate because they’re gonna benefit from this war. This will be another excuse for price gouging everybody in the world.
Come on all of you big strong men.
The ruling class needs your help again.
They got themselves in a terrible jam way down yonder in Iran.
Put on your books and pick up a gun.
We’re gonna have a whole lot of fun.
And it’s 123 what are we fighting for?
Don’t ask me I don’t give a damn next stop is Iran.
And it’s 5 6 7 open up the pearly gates.
Ain’t no time to wonder why would be you’re all gonna die.
Come on Wall Street don’t be slow my man this is war a go-go.
There’s plenty good money to be made by supplying the army with the tools of the trade.
Just hoping and pray that when they drop the bomb they drop it on Iran,
Come on fathers throughout the land pack your sons off to Iran.
Come on fathers don’t hesitate, send your boys off before it’s too late.
Be the first one on your block to have your boy come home in a box.
And it’s one 2 three what are we fighting for?
Don’t ask me I don’t give a damn. Next stop is Iran.
And it’s 5 6 7 open up the pearly gates would be you’re all gonna die.
Jane Fonda protesting against the atrocities of the Vietnam war. I remember it well. And I was right there with her, paying close attention, protesting.
And she (and so many others from decades ago, are still at it.)
BRAVO TO JANE, for her integrity, her persistence, her righteous and glorious display of courage and conviction.
I don’t know **anyone making excuses about showing up!! More of us show up and have been for decades than you know! Jane is not the queen of showing up. Many more have been doing this all their lives. I am sad to read this detail of betrayal of service men. They got a raw deal.
I don’t blame Jane for soldiers’ raw deal. If that story is true… that was an ugly betrayal. I deleted the thread so I can’t find what you said. The raw deal was the lie that started that war …and the soldiers that paid the price.
From boyhood crush to person that I highly admire and respect, I cannot say enough good things about her. She is an amazing person who deserves all the accolades. One small woman standing up to power and using her platform continuously for good! Thanks Jane Fonda, we owe you alot!
We certainly do ! Thank you.
I absolutely love her!
That stupid picture of her by a machine gun is NOT why Vietnam veterans and people like me who support men in the military just doing their jobs HATE her. SHE STOOD AT A PARADE OF AMERICAN MILITARY PRISONERS AT A VIETNAMESE PRISON CAMP POSED AS IF THEY WERE BEING HUMANELY TREATED (a lie). SOME OF THEM SLIPPED HER A PIECE OF PAPER WITH THEIR NAME, RANK, SERIAL NUMBER ON IT INTO HER HAND WHEN SHE SHOOK HANDS WITH THEM, THINKING SHE WOULD GIVE THOSE PIECES OF PAPER TO THE AMERICANS SO THEY COULD NOTIFY THEIR FAMILIES THAT THEY WERE ALIVE. INSTEAD SHE GAVE ALL THE PAPERS TO THE VIETNAMESE AT THE CAMP. THE MEN WERE SINGLED OUT, PUNISHED SEVERELY AND THREE OF THE MEN DIED BECAUSE OF IT. THAT IS WHY SHE IS DESPISED BY SO MANY OF US. You can try to make it look like it was one photo, but it was NOT. She committed treason that day.
Jane Fonda made mistakes over the years, but the story you tell is completely false. The American POWs who were actually there that day deny the veracity of the story. It’s a lie. Page 2 of the attached will explain, if you truly care about the truth. Maybe you’d like to consider stopping the spread of disinformation.
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/AD1019243.pdf
What she did wasn’t even close to treason. What she did was patriotic because she protested and illegal and immoral war based on the bullshit domino theory. The real reason for that war was to move money from the bottom of the top.
If South Vietnam didn’t have the balls to fight for their country against the north don’t deserve democracy and they’re not ready for it. Vietnam is now communist or socialist whatever the fuck they call it. It was a waste of life in treasure and a lot of people knew that and finally the American people knew that it was an illegal and immoral war that ended up accomplishing nothing same as the wars we started in the Middle East for oil.
The US does trade with Vietnam and people go there to vacation. If democracy and capitalism were so great it would’ve prevailed on its own without killing a shit load of people and making Wall Street go wild by supplying the army with the tools of the trade.
Americans got lied into this war when Lyndon Johnson created the false flag Gulf of Tonkin scam. I was a conscientious objector and I burned my draft card. Does that make me a traitor? Muhammad Ali refused induction and gave up a career for three years. Does that make him a traitor? Makes him a hero.
The pilots playing poker in the cockpit of a plane.
Casualties are rising like the following of the rain.
And the a mountainof machinery will fall before a man.
When your white boots marching in a yellow land.
Red blow the bugles of the dawn.
The morning has arrived you must be gone.
And the lost patrol. Chase their chartered souls like old whores following tired armies.
Except for the military action in Kosovo in Bosnia, every war the US fought since Vietnam has been stupid, worthless, illegal illegal and wasted.
This is not a slam and the people who fought in that war. That war and war after that benefited the rich. People are rich off the Vietnam war just like they got rich off the 2 Gulf wars which ended up making Iraq even more Islamic and theocratic. The military adventurism of the US is absolutely obscene.
Jane Fonda was the patriot then and she’s a patriot now.
Vietnam was another quagmire but it’s not as evil as what Trump is doing now but it’s not all Trump it’s corporate because they’re gonna benefit from this war. This will be another excuse for price gouging everybody in the world.
Come on all of you big strong men.
The ruling class needs your help again.
They got themselves in a terrible jam way down yonder in Iran.
Put on your books and pick up a gun.
We’re gonna have a whole lot of fun.
And it’s 123 what are we fighting for?
Don’t ask me I don’t give a damn next stop is Iran.
And it’s 5 6 7 open up the pearly gates.
Ain’t no time to wonder why would be you’re all gonna die.
Come on Wall Street don’t be slow my man this is war a go-go.
There’s plenty good money to be made by supplying the army with the tools of the trade.
Just hoping and pray that when they drop the bomb they drop it on Iran,
Come on fathers throughout the land pack your sons off to Iran.
Come on fathers don’t hesitate, send your boys off before it’s too late.
Be the first one on your block to have your boy come home in a box.
And it’s one 2 three what are we fighting for?
Don’t ask me I don’t give a damn. Next stop is Iran.
And it’s 5 6 7 open up the pearly gates would be you’re all gonna die.
Jane Fonda protesting against the atrocities of the Vietnam war. I remember it well. And I was right there with her, paying close attention, protesting.
And she (and so many others from decades ago, are still at it.)
BRAVO TO JANE, for her integrity, her persistence, her righteous and glorious display of courage and conviction.
In the final analysis, what else is there?
I grew up in the 80s CONSTANTLY listening to my dad bitch about "Hanoi Jane."
I love Jane Fonda.
Jane Fonda rocks and she always has.
I'll be in SLC, Utah!
I don’t know **anyone making excuses about showing up!! More of us show up and have been for decades than you know! Jane is not the queen of showing up. Many more have been doing this all their lives. I am sad to read this detail of betrayal of service men. They got a raw deal.
They did get a raw deal, but not from Jane Fonda. My reply to Nancy Dobry explains.
I don’t blame Jane for soldiers’ raw deal. If that story is true… that was an ugly betrayal. I deleted the thread so I can’t find what you said. The raw deal was the lie that started that war …and the soldiers that paid the price.